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Posted by morpheus on 05-12-2005 at20:33:

  raised listening to DA...

uh, this may seem to be a random post, but I just want to give a huge shoutout to DA and all of their fans. you guys are incredible. I've been listening to DA ever since I was a wee lil' one (specifically, Alarma! and Doppelganger), and I'm still hooked today. I recently got the Alarma bookset off of ebay, and I've had Mr. Buchener's Dream for quite some time... wow. this music is absolutely incredible.
also, if any of ya'll could visit my website, give me some feedback, etc... that'd be greatly appreciated. Right now I have an audience of about 9 people.
anyway. God bless! keep it going!
in Christ...
www.flamesofphoenix.com
(currently listening to: 'Songs of the Heart')

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Posted by Lur King on 05-12-2005 at21:30:

RE: raised listening to DA...

quote:

Originally posted by morpheus uh, this may seem to be a random post, but I just want to give a huge shoutout to DA and all of their fans. you guys are incredible.

hey thanks

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Posted by jiminy on 05-13-2005 at12:08:

 

or incredibly nerdy..
but I like to think not.

Its just when you try to explain this wonderful fascination with a 25+ year old band whose marketplace is well, I dont know what it is, jist what it ISN'T.
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-it makes us a special breed.
welcome to the herd.

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Posted by Shadow-Master713 on 05-13-2005 at15:09:

 

Well, that makes 2 of us that were raised on DA from a young age. I was a wee one myself when my parents would play Shotgun Angel, Doppelganger, Fearful Symmetry, Horrendous Disc & Alarma (Both of which were released the year I was born). I've been hooked and influenced musically since. Terry and the boys proved you can make good music without having to conform to the standards of radio.

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Posted by jiminy on 05-13-2005 at15:50:

 

Yer scarin me 713.

my Son turned me toward FS! .. not the other way around.


I was savvy to Shotgun and Horrendous Disc...
in the beginning..as they say

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Posted by audiori on 05-13-2005 at17:37:

 

The DA fanbase, was at one time pretty large I think. From the
time we started working with them to now, there has been a
growing customer base thats now in the thousands. And we
still get emails occassionally from old fans who are still fans that
just now stumbled across the site. And there is a whole world of
new fans connected to the Neverhood/Tennapel projects.
But its almost like somewhere in the late 80s, the fanbase all got
scattered and lost and none of them knew where DA went. A
few were able to keep track, but some figure out where DA is
years later and have to get caught up.

The first Cornerstone we went to we talked to Dan Michaels
a while about ideas on how to advertise to get back some of that
fanbase. Where do you advertise to do it? Maybe they are not
all internet savy, what kind of magazines do they read? Radio?
I don't think they are lost fans forever, because when they find
the site they are happy to stumble across it. They didn't want to
lose track. We occassionally get a big order of like 10 CDs as these
people have to get caught up.

I really do wish we had more Alarma Booksets in stock, we've
discsussed doing a softcover edition when the funds are there.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-14-2005 at12:19:

 

I've said before that I was born in 1977 and came out listening to shotgun angel

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-14-2005 at13:39:

 

quote:

Originally posted by audiori But its almost like somewhere in the late 80s, the fanbase all got scattered and lost and none of them knew where DA went. A few were able to keep track, but some figure out where DA is years later and have to get caught up.

That's so odd to me beacuse it was in the Late 80's that I discovered DA!

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-14-2005 at13:40:

 

quote:

Originally posted by dorfsmith I've said before that I was born in 1977 and came out listening to shotgun angel

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Posted by jiminy on 05-14-2005 at18:14:

 

quote:

Originally posted by dorfsmith I've said before that I was born in 1977 and came out listening to shotgun angel

jeepers - I came out listenin to "Houndog".........

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-14-2005 at18:23:

 

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-15-2005 at02:17:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Dr Rich quote: Originally posted by audiori But its almost like somewhere in the late 80s, the fanbase all got scattered and lost and none of them knew where DA went. A few were able to keep track, but some figure out where DA is years later and have to get caught up. That's so odd to me beacuse it was in the Late 80's that I discovered DA!

My personal opinion is, there used to be a Christian Music market
that was built on the Daniel Amos'es, the Randy Stonehills, the
Mark Heards, the larry Normans, the Rez'es.. it was about the message.
It was about Jesus. There was a 'movement'. Then towards the late
80's Christian music became commercial, or started to. The old Jesus
music culture was left behind while the labels and media started
supporting the commercial favorites of the time. Whatever could be
marketed. I think when this happened, the original audience these
guys had fell away. They quit buying the magazines, stopped listening
to Jesus music radio, etc. Sure there is a new audience that buys
all the marketed new bands, but they have "No sense of History".
Somewhere there are people out there that are like us, don't like the
CCM radio... miss the music of the Jesus movement. They just don't
realize these bands are still around because the new market is
not interested in that, so they quit buying what the market was offering
years ago.

To me thats what Cornerstone always was, it was a family reunion
of that old movement. The original vision. It was one festival that
didn't buy into the market, and stayed true to the original culture.
Thats what it was to me.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-15-2005 at03:48:

 

I can agree with that

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Posted by joey on 05-16-2005 at14:05:



me too....

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Posted by Dr Rich on 05-16-2005 at14:07:

 

The music industry in general seems to run in cycles like that!

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Posted by Audiori J on 05-16-2005 at14:17:

 

Its very easy to see if you compare an old Christian Music
magazine from the 70s with one from the 90s. The content
has changed, beyond just the quality of printing. The grassroots
Jesus centered ideal from back then is lost in the flashy
commercial advertisement filled media of today.

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-17-2005 at01:34:

 

Yeah I know. It's sad like that.

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Posted by Jerry Davison on 05-17-2005 at01:51:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Audiori J Its very easy to see if you compare an old Christian Music magazine from the 70s with one from the 90s. The content has changed, beyond just the quality of printing. The grassroots Jesus centered ideal from back then is lost in the flashy commercial advertisement filled media of today.

I certainly agree with your statement earlier that CCM fans today have no sense of history. But I think it goes deeper. I think the industry as a whole has no sense of it either. Even back in the late 70's/early 80's when I started listening, once a new album came out from an artist, they just seemed to forget that that artist had ever done anything else before that. It was weird.

I'm not so sure I follow you about an ideal lost in flashy advertising. Let's not forget that the vast majority of Christian art in those early days -- music, books, films, TV and magazines -- was embarrassingly bad in comparison to its secular counterparts. I for one welcome some sense of professionalism and excellence, however it can go too far in that direction, too. While the grass roots vibe is cool in a counter-culture sort of way, it can sometimes come across as amatuerish and just plain bad. Blessed are the balanced, as the saying goes.

On the other hand, I've never been completely comfortable with the place marketing and advertising have in the church. Advertising is fundamentally about manipulating people into being discontent, right? It's kind of a strange bedfellows deal, if ya take my meanin'. )

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Posted by dorfsmith on 05-17-2005 at02:01:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Jerry Davison quote: Originally posted by Audiori J Its very easy to see if you compare an old Christian Music magazine from the 70s with one from the 90s. The content has changed, beyond just the quality of printing. The grassroots Jesus centered ideal from back then is lost in the flashy commercial advertisement filled media of today. I certainly agree with your statement earlier that CCM fans today have no sense of history. But I think it goes deeper. I think the industry as a whole has no sense of it either. Even back in the late 70's/early 80's when I started listening, once a new album came out from an artist, they just seemed to forget that that artist had ever done anything else before that. It was weird. I'm not so sure I follow you about an ideal lost in flashy advertising. Let's not forget that the vast majority of Christian art in those early days -- music, books, films, TV and magazines -- was embarrassingly bad in comparison to its secular counterparts. I for one welcome some sense of professionalism and excellence, however it can go too far in that direction, too. While the grass roots vibe is cool in a counter-culture sort of way, it can sometimes come across as amatuerish and just plain bad. Blessed are the balanced, as the saying goes. On the other hand, I've never been completely comfortable with the place marketing and advertising have in the church. Advertising is fundamentally about manipulating people into being discontent, right? It's kind of a strange bedfellows deal, if ya take my meanin'. )

Ahh, great post. I think what audiori was trying to say is that back in the day the magazines tried to show that there was a message to the music. It wasn't about looks (although the DA boys were pretty sexy in the 70's ) but now it is all about the next Christian Brittney Spears or other secular wannabe.

I have my own beliefs about how marketing and advertising have no place in the church and how I am sickened by the Christian industry machine that sells Christ but I will save that for another day

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Posted by jiminy on 05-17-2005 at08:15:

 

now I am going to counter with an observation..


If you have Cornerstone 84, (and the Anaheim Show) take a minute to look at the differences between the bands- and the audience. It is AMAZING!
The audience looks well, pretty much like Napolean Dynamite.

there are no pierced ears, no intentional hairdos (which we STILL dig, Dr Love) and no rather cool clothing (like a purple and black silky shirt) in the audience..that you can see.

What does this mean?- well ,I'm not sure, cept I recall looking more like the audience then too (after all , I was a churchie)

the early CCM bands represented (IMHO) " Hey- look at these tremendously cool people - they love Jesus just like me"

I think there is now perhaps less distinction between band and audience..and thats good, but I wonder what kids think as they watch?
I only know how I felt.

anyone else hava a thought on that??