Daniel Amos Message Board | Print: Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc Deluxe

Posted by Audiori J on 10-11-2019 at12:18:

Yeah I think (my opinion) what sounds better to different people has a lot to do with opinion laced with nostalgia. I've never been one of those people that bought the analogue is better than digital thing. I get what they are saying in that digital has a limit to it's audible range and analogue has in the least a much wider range. The problem is the human ear also has a limit and it's less than the digital limits. So sometimes our biases can fool us.

I basically see it this way (assuming a high quality source recording):

CD/CDR.
Flac.
WAV (HQ).
Vinyl.
MP3.
Cassette.
8-Track.

Some people argue CDRs are worse than pressed CDs, but pressed CDs are taken from CDR masters typically so they shouldn't be better than their source. If anything it would seem CDs would only be as good as the CDR source even considering the potential for being better. I remember having a discussion with some people about a "surround sound" mastered DVD that was taken from a VHS or High8 tape of a concert. How "surround sound" can it actually be without being able to actually mix the audio? At best it's a fake "Surround Sound" of a 2 track recording.
Sometimes I prefer to listen to Vinyl over an MP3 or CD but mainly because I grew up with vinyl and have a certain bias concerning the experience of Vinyl.
For a while I preferred Cassettes over Vinyl mainly because it didn't pop and was portable. But honestly they don't sound better than Vinyl. Tapes age worse with all the hiss and variable speed and warpage and whatnot. Likewise an MP3 is portable and better than a cassette, the portability makes it better than a Vinyl even though it technically sounds worse.
I had 8-tracks back in the day and they were just a big clunky clicky joke.

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 10-18-2019 at14:59:

Looked high and low and finally found a good shirt model. No way was I going to wear my HD shirt!

EDIT- Did you know people collect mannequins? I went to the local Sears as it was closing and asked if they had any mannequins left. They were all gone; someone bought them all. So you can imagine there is a person somewhere with a mannequin collection. Probably wearing little hats, and sports jackets and such. They didn't have any mannequins but they did have this. Not sure what to call it? A clothing figure, maybe.

Posted by Jimmy Brown on 10-21-2019 at07:17:

A hobbitquin?

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 10-21-2019 at17:19:

Well this plastic faux person is not merely short or disfigured; she's actually missing body parts, so I would say dismemberquin or decapiquin. Smile

Posted by Jimmy Brown on 10-21-2019 at17:37:

In my defense, the pictures didn't load at work.

I'm glad you confirmed it's a female torsoquin. I thought there was quite a bow on that steamer.

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 10-22-2019 at02:26:

My lil hobby server may have been blocked or blacklisted by your browser at work. It's not secured, no way. Here I party like it's 2009.

Posted by ftg3plus4 on 12-30-2019 at07:22:

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Originally posted by Audiori J
September 7, 1977:
Daniel Amos, in a session that began at 1PM, records "Happily Married Man" at MartinSound Studios in Alhambra, CA.

I just came across this, and it answers a question I've had for quite a while -- i.e., when was the track recorded and by which line-up? I always wondered why it was a bonus track on the CD release of the first album, since I was sure it wasn't recorded at that time. I guess it was just a matter of stylistic consistency...

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 12-31-2019 at03:05:

Looks like you've been dipping in the Timeline. You can lose whole days looking at that.

Posted by WoaaahJelly! on 08-05-2020 at13:00:

Just today went plowing through all the cool bonus material. Of course I listened to the downloads first when they became available and spun all of the vinyl when it finally shipped. Just today did I look at the rest. I read the whole big glossy book, all the way through. I really appreciated most the nice period photos. I read the production and release history and it still makes no sense! What a train wreck! It makes me appreciate this release all the more. I read the little book, too. I scrutinized all the excellent album art. Signed photos, little DA buttons, guitar picks. 3D Glasses! The promo disk looks almost edible to me. I don't know if you guys remember these, but years ago they had Lifesavers pops that were swirled white and blue just like this record. Evocative!

Posted by Audiori J on 08-25-2020 at10:13:

Yeah a train wreck is right. Even when the album was originally released (April 10, 1981) Larry waited until right before Alarma was released (June 1, 1981) to release it which hurt Alarma's sales.. since there was so much anticipation and mystery concerning HD.

It's almost like he had no intention of releasing it at all, but when he heard they had another album coming out he rushed it out. Incorrect master, incorrect artwork, missing artwork, weird edits and track order, etc.

When Eric and I were discussing putting the ultimate HD together with Larry back in 2006-2007 we had discussed it from the perspective that Larry owned the album and DA owned all the bonus material and extra songs and that a deluxe reissue couldn't be done without collaboration between DA and Solid Rock. Through the discussions we mentioned some of the tracks we wanted as bonus material and through the whole discussion Larry seemed to be into it and said he wanted to work with us on it.

Then Solid Rock secretly and seemingly rushed out the CDR copy of Horrendous Disc in 2007 with some of those tracks as bonus material. "Fairy Tale", "After All These Years", "Talk","Twilight Love","Noelle","Hello Aloha." It was odd like he wanted to rush and preemptively get them out. The mastering was poor, the mixes were bad, the artwork was crap and it was a CDR. Setting aside the fact he didn't own any of the bonus material...

That was classic Larry. Hard to understand why he did that, he could be your best friend one day and then the next it was like he had a bunch of paranoia and had to protect himself by hurting you before you (as he thought) would hurt him. It's the only way I can make sense out of any of it.

I don't know, but in all the interactions with Larry we had I always had the feeling that it was like he had a split personality and both were honest and contradictory in their interactions with you. He could one minute attack you for who knows what and the next gush like you were his greatest friend on earth. It's like you could inadvertently trigger one or the other by what you did or said. I was always a Larry Norman fan and never disliked him, it always seemed sad and we felt like all we could do was be patient with him.

Posted by sondance on 08-25-2020 at17:11:

Sorry you guys & the band had to go through all that. i cringe every time I hear these stories. Don't know how sensitive & creative folks deal with all the flakiness that pervades the music business.

Posted by Jimmy Brown on 04-15-2021 at09:29:

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Originally posted by sondance
Sorry you guys & the band had to go through all that. i cringe every time I hear these stories. Don't know how sensitive & creative folks deal with all the flakiness that pervades the music business.

I wanted a career in music, but sometimes I think it was a good thing I didn't get that. I know more than a few people who don't really seem to like music anymore because of the career drama that comes with making a living in an art.