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Posted by Audiori J on 10-27-2010 at15:17:
Yeah after looking at Steve Taylor's movie kickstarter page we thought it might be perfect for a DA album. Seeing the funds creep up and how far from the goal we are at any given point in real time is pretty neat. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't.
Posted by DwDunphy on 10-27-2010 at15:18:
Just a personal opinion, but I don't think this will be a repeat of the Rev.EDT situation. This is probably going to be a much more streamlined affair.
Posted by Audiori J on 10-27-2010 at15:20:
Well the good thing is as my brother said, until the goal is reached no money changes hands, so there is no being on the hook to produce something while still not having the complete budget.
Posted by pegotico on 10-27-2010 at16:11:
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Originally posted by Audiori J
Yeah after looking at Steve Taylor's movie kickstarter page we thought it might be perfect for a DA album. Seeing the funds creep up and how far from the goal we are at any given point in real time is pretty neat. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't. |
wow!! The nice part is there is no pressure for you guys. Also maybe more ppl will help as it will be more public.
Posted by DwDunphy on 10-27-2010 at18:18:
By having the count happen in the hands of a third party, and by having the ability to show the money growing in a transparent manner, a lot of camps get a lot of benefits.
Posted by Audiori J on 10-27-2010 at21:40:
Too bad there are camps, but I can guarantee that both Terry and Mike have the ability to look at the website accounts in case anyone is still insinuating otherwise. We gave them both logins to the online banking years ago, and we do accounting for them as they wish.
The good thing about this system is that there is a built in goal meter and no one is on the hook until the entire budget is realized. Everything else is pretty much exactly the same, ie; all the money goes to Terry.
Posted by audiori on 10-27-2010 at21:41:
Its a little crazy that a "third party" makes a difference to anyone, but ok... the money goes to the same place either way and theres zero doubt about that with anyone that actually knows anything.
I think being able to see the progress will help a lot. I think that was the biggest issue with Midget.... since we didn't get enough at the start, there wasn't a lot of progress early on. People assumed that meant it was going nowhere... even though the reality was we just needed more cash coming in. In a situation like this, people will be able to see that we need more cash.
Posted by pegotico on 10-27-2010 at21:46:
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In a situation like this, people will be able to see that we need more cash. |
yep, one of the hardest thing is asking for money
Posted by Pfiagra on 10-27-2010 at23:10:
RE: New DA
This isn't going to be like the New Monkees, is it?
(cause if so, I'm ALL IN!)
Posted by Audiori J on 10-28-2010 at05:42:
I do know Terry doesn't like to use the Daniel Amos name without it actually being what he considers Daniel Amos, that's why his tour and a lot of appearances at Cornerstone were labeled "Terry and Friends." Its also not like the Eddies which since the 90s has been intended to be a changing conglomerate of people;
Harvest Rock Syndicate Interview Part III, 1991
HRS: Will there ever be another Swirling Eddies record?
Taylor: Absolutely, but what we're talking about is opening the Eddies up to even more artists, sort of make the Eddies this conglomerate of different people that I've always wanted to work with, and have a lot of song-writing teams involved and different lead singers. Just make it this mass of people, that sort of fluctuates and changes.
Posted by DwDunphy on 10-28-2010 at07:20:
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Originally posted by audiori
Its a little crazy that a "third party" makes a difference to anyone, but ok... the money goes to the same place either way and there's zero doubt about that with anyone that actually knows anything. |
You know it makes no difference to me, I've been in before and I'm in again, but there are folks that have put a premium on that aspect and, frankly, if it gets them to contribute to this new CD, all the better.
Posted by DwDunphy on 10-28-2010 at11:33:
Not to sound like I'm prying for details, but since it was brought up that Terry feels DA is a very specific thing, can we be fairly confident that the line-up is Taylor, Flesch, Chandler & McTaggart?
Posted by joey on 10-28-2010 at12:59:
and chamberlain?
i can hope, right?
Posted by Audiori J on 10-28-2010 at13:51:
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Originally posted by DwDunphy
Not to sound like I'm prying for details, but since it was brought up that Terry feels DA is a very specific thing, can we be fairly confident that the line-up is Taylor, Flesch, Chandler & McTaggart? |
Jerry Chamberlain and Rob Watson have been members of DA as well, so its hard to say exactly what Terry might put together. There was even talk for a while about doing something with the original line-up, but I doubt thats what Terry is thinking of right now. I could see a Taylor, Chamberlain, Chandler and McTaggert line-up as a possibility if say Greg was unavailable. Terry might not even know yet.
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Originally posted by DwDunphy
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Originally posted by audiori
Its a little crazy that a "third party" makes a difference to anyone, but ok... the money goes to the same place either way and there's zero doubt about that with anyone that actually knows anything. |
You know it makes no difference to me, I've been in before and I'm in again, but there are folks that have put a premium on that aspect and, frankly, if it gets them to contribute to this new CD, all the better. |
I guess whatever floats their boat, but its plain silly. My brother and I have been doing this for over 10 years and almost the entire time for free. The bands get basically 100% of what comes in from the websites. Its their money, we just volunteer to do this stuff so they don't have to. Believe me, if there was any question to our integrity Mike and Terry would not still be working with us. Now a third party often takes a cut, I don't know off hand if this website (Kickstarter) we are thinking of using does or not, but they may.
Posted by DwDunphy on 10-28-2010 at14:50:
Your efforts are definitely appreciated. The hard fact is that without you guys, and Jeffrey K. at Lo-Fidelity, I don't think Terry and Mike would have been able to continue on this scale after all the labels started contracting. It's tough to think a fundraising effort is even necessary to make things happen, but it is and that's the world we live in now I guess.
Posted by audiori on 10-28-2010 at15:16:
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| but there are folks that have put a premium on that aspect and, frankly, if it gets them to contribute to this new CD, all the better. |
People that say that kind of thing (or imply it, or hint at it) are part of the problem. They should be told so.
The majority of the fan base spends its energy enjoying the music, going to shows, praying for the guys, promoting their music, supporting the guys financially through the websites and tours. You have to be wonder about any "fan" that spends their time doing anything counterproductive to those efforts.
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Been talking to Kickstarter... apparently you have to sell them on the overall idea before they let you set up a fundraising project. They like the idea, but we're still discussing it. Should have some definite information soon.
Posted by Eis on 10-28-2010 at16:20:
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Originally posted by Audiori J
I don't know off hand if this website (Kickstarter) we are thinking of using does or not, but they may. |
They do take a cut. 5% according to the FAQ on their website.
Posted by DwDunphy on 10-28-2010 at16:36:
Kickstarter will get a percentage. A small one, but a percentage nonetheless. It comes down to numbers - What are the best numbers DA has logged for albums, what's the size of their fanbase, how many hits does the website attract daily, what's the band's reach across the world, etc. I have no doubt you can produce the numbers that satisfy their criteria.
Steve Taylor has not produced an album of his own in decades, "Blue Like Jazz" will be his second film, but outside of a select number, who can name the first film? I guarantee he was able to find a quantitative way of expressing potential fans/financial commitments, making the project look like a viable investment. I think you can easily do the same.
The first step will be to reach out to friends of the band, other bands, sites that have appreciation for DA, ask them to be counted and possibly add a New DA Music widget to their pages, and by proving the validity of the investment, Kickstarter will go for it. I honestly believe that.
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