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Terry's letter is exactly what people need to understand.
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I totally understand this, but I think there is room for everything. The projects that you continually do are of high quality and value. But for a more casual fan, they may just want a single disc "Alarma!" because they had the tape 15 years ago or something. It would be great if you could do downloads, keep in print what you own in a single disc fashion (even a CD-R thing, like some artists do), and also have special sets. That way there would be no wait for those who just want a CD legally, and more funding for the special stuff from downloads and CD-R's.
Just thinking out loud.
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For the love of God, don't wait and reissue the Alarma Chronicles book by itself without the CDs. 
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For the love of God, don't wait and reissue the Alarma Chronicles book by itself without the CDs.
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my !alarma! chronicles bookset has cd-r's in it....
the real disks are safely put away..... 
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THe downside of that is that DA would become one of those artists that releases a dozen versions of every album. We'd release a single bare-bones version of Alarma, most fans would feel the need to buy it... then we'd release the expanded one later and many fans would complain that they already bought the bare-bones one. It happens all the time with DVDs where a basic set is released, then the "special edition" comes out right before Christmas. Folks often feel like they're being gouged.
We'd much rather have one really nice version out there thats as inexpensive for everyone. I'm not saying theres no middle ground, but we have to be careful how its done.
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if it was being made public how they would be released, then people could decide which version they would rather buy.
and yes...some completists would still buy them all. and they will pay $100 on e-bay for out of print titles, and vinyl......but those people will always be around. |
I think I paid about $12 or $13 total (incl shipping) for both HD and FS on vinyl.
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True, if someone shells out $100 for a CD on ebay, they are not
going pay another $20 to get it again.
Whatever. I have all the DA stuff on the official CDs at this point anyway.
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True, if someone shells out $100 for a CD on ebay, they are not
going pay another $20 to get it again.
Whatever. I have all the DA stuff on the official CDs at this point anyway. |
a true completist will. i know. i used to be one. |
when you already have them on LP and tape and CD, how much
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by larryl
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True, if someone shells out $100 for a CD on ebay, they are not
going pay another $20 to get it again.
Whatever. I have all the DA stuff on the official CDs at this point anyway. |
a true completist will. i know. i used to be one. |
when you already have them on LP and tape and CD, how much
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i own identical version of CD's, just because they were released on different labels.........i buy re-releases that are no different from the original. why? OCD i guess....but i know others like me, too.
it's the same mentality that buys duplicates of everything.....or buys the short version of safe as milk, even though they already own the real one.
completist implies....everything. period.
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Originally posted by larryl
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by larryl
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Originally posted by dennis
True, if someone shells out $100 for a CD on ebay, they are not
going pay another $20 to get it again.
Whatever. I have all the DA stuff on the official CDs at this point anyway. |
a true completist will. i know. i used to be one. |
when you already have them on LP and tape and CD, how much
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i own identical version of CD's, just because they were released odifferent labels.........i buy re-releases that are no different from the original. why? OCD i guess....but i know others like me, too.
it's the same mentality that buys duplicates of everything.....or buys the short version of safe as milk, even though they already own the real one.
completist implies....everything. period. |
that's just sad.
I own all the DA cds.
That is "complete" enough for me.
If there are enough "goodies" I may buy a re-issue,
but I am not gonna feel bad if others own cd-rs of DA stuff.
I guess my point was the longer a CD is out of print,
the more the market is going to shrink.
It does not matter if someone burns a cd-r,
buys it on ebay,or just moves on to other bands.
If the music is out of print, the market will shrink.
So enough with the guilt trip on fans.
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True, if someone shells out $100 for a CD on ebay, they are not
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That is partly why I never paid $100 or more for Alarma Chronicles bookset on ebay. I wanted to be able to support Terry if/when it got re-released or individual CDs got re-released with some special stuff.
I am not an extreme completist and would not buy the same basic stuff twice, especially the Alarma Chronicles stuff where I basically only like most of the music on the Alarma album and not the other 3.
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I am not an extreme completist and would not buy the same basic stuff twice, especially the Alarma Chronicles stuff where I basically only like most of the music on the Alarma album and not the other 3. |
See this is where the average fan seems to be with a lot of this stuff. If we release 6 versions, they'll only buy one. Which is perfectly understandable to us. We don't want to churn out a half a dozen versions of every album and expect people to buy all of them... we'd rather work hard to put out one definitive version and let folks buy that one.
The Alarma Chronicles set kind of puts us in a weird spot for this reason. It's nice as a complete package. But, it has no bonus material at all. So, we're trying to figure out whether we should try to rerelease it and do a separate bonus material set (which might be the more expensive route).. or to do separate releases and then reissue the book by itself. The second option leaves people that already bought the set in a bad spot because they then have to buy each album again for the bonus material (if they want it.) Theres a possibility that we could do something different for the folks that already have the book set of course. But, thats why we're trying to be careful.
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I am not an extreme completist and would not buy the same basic stuff twice, especially the Alarma Chronicles stuff where I basically only like most of the music on the Alarma album and not the other 3. |
See this is where the average fan seems to be with a lot of this stuff. If we release 6 versions, they'll only buy one. Which is perfectly understandable to us. We don't want to churn out a half a dozen versions of every album and expect people to buy all of them... we'd rather work hard to put out one definitive version and let folks buy that one.
The Alarma Chronicles set kind of puts us in a weird spot for this reason. It's nice as a complete package. But, it has no bonus material at all. So, we're trying to figure out whether we should try to rerelease it and do a separate bonus material set (which might be the more expensive route).. or to do separate releases and then reissue the book by itself. The second option leaves people that already bought the set in a bad spot because they then have to buy each album again for the bonus material (if they want it.) Theres a possibility that we could do something different for the folks that already have the book set of course. But, thats why we're trying to be careful. |
Well, I would certainly buy 2 versions of most things- the original releases I already own and an extra definitive bonus version.
From a product standpoint, I would prefer an Alarma Chronicles bookset reissue (since it has already been done) and then whatever version of "Alarma Chronicles Extras" (omitting the original material) can be completed.
Of course that might be more complicated from a practical standpoint.
I guess we take whatever we get and are thankful we get anything at all.
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Yeah its why we would love to have it all available, its just a lot of work to even work out the details to get permission to do it. Not to mention the financial apsects.
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Maybe we could think about doing each album separately with bonus material and do a set of all of the bonus material by itself for the folks that don't want to buy the albums again. Of course, if we price the albums at a single disc price, they could just buy the bonus material that way and get a remastered copy of the album along with it...
Thats the other part of it... we would like to remaster everything. We'd also like it to "fit" with the other reissues.
Hmm.. not sure whats best.
Any suggestions are welcome.
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