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Mark's lyrics are just plain amazing. I don't quite see how you can compare him to Keith Green in that Keith Green was not much of a poet and mark heard was. Many of his songs were spiritual only in an alegorical sense like terry's. Listen to High Noon again.
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actually i would compare his lyrics more with the choir......
mediocre at best... 
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Originally posted by dorfsmith
Mark's lyrics are just plain amazing. I don't quite see how you can compare him to Keith Green in that Keith Green was not much of a poet and mark heard was. Many of his songs were spiritual only in an alegorical sense like terry's. Listen to High Noon again.
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actually i would compare his lyrics more with the choir......
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That's just MEAN, Joey.... 
No comparison. Granted, I didn't get much out of his earlier stuff, but the last three albums (& High Noon which encompasses them) are great. Mark Heard was my nexus maybe five years from secular music with a handful of Christians making their way there (Tonio K., Bruce Cockburn, The Call, T-Bone & Sam Burnett, et al.) to "the ghetto" where valid Christian music actually existed & deserved to be found and to dominate my personal airwaves today. Were it not for Mark Heard, I never would have found Terry, Mike, Rich Mullins, et al. & al. & al.
Re: comments about VoL elsewhere: Get Slow Dark Train. That's the only one you need (heck, it may be the only CD anyone needs by anyone, Zoom Daddy notwithstanding). A lead weight that sinks to the bottom of the heart. The rest is hit-and miss. Yes, good lyrics, but to me it can be so whiny....
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Mark's lyrics are just plain amazing. I don't quite see how you can compare him to Keith Green in that Keith Green was not much of a poet and mark heard was. Many of his songs were spiritual only in an alegorical sense like terry's. Listen to High Noon again.
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Keith wrote with his love and devotion for Christ. That is the one thing that shines through in his music. His music was all about praising God, not a mere reflection of popular culture, or a feeble attempt at being "artsy". And for sure not a race for recognition and popularity. If you can listen to Keith and not be moved, you are a stone.
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Don't get me wrong. I was raised on Keith Green. His music was pure worship and not very poetic...and there is nothing wrong with that 
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I don't find any of Mark's last albums as "mellow".
The lyrics on his last few albums were amazing,
not to mention he could play about any instrument
he happened to pick up.
He was unique.
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Not peotic, but it says what needs to be said.
Keith Green
Asleep In The Light
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Do you see, do you see
All the people sinking down
Don't you care, don't you care
Are you gonna let them drown
How can you be so numb
Not to care if they come
You close your eyes
And pretend the job's done
"Oh bless me Lord, bless me Lord"
You know it's all I ever hear
No one aches, no one hurts
No one even sheds one tear
But He cries, He weeps, He bleeds
And He cares for your needs
And you just lay back
And keep soaking it in,
Oh, can't you see it's such a sin?
Cause He brings people to you door,
And you turn them away
As you smile and say,
"God bless you, be at peace"
And all heaven just weeps
Cause Jesus came to you door
You've left him out on the streets
Open up open up
And give yourself away
You see the need, you hear the cries
So how can you delay
God's calling and you're the one
But like Jonah you run
He's told you to speak
But you keep holding it in,
Oh can't you see it's such a sin?
The world is sleeping in the dark
That the church just can't fight
Cause it's asleep in the light
How can you be so dead
When you've been so well fed
Jesus rose from the grave
And you, you can't even get out of bed
Oh, Jesus rose from the dead
Come on, get out of your bed
How can you be so numb
Not to care if they come
You close your eyes
And pretend the job's done
You close your eyes
And pretend the job's done
Don't close your eyes
Don't pretend the jobs done
Come away, come away, come away with Me my love,
Come away, from this mess, come away with Me, my love.
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Keith was always up front and honest.
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jiminy
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Some of Mike Knotts Music resembles the aforementioned-
He is brutally honest., and can be much darker than Keith or Mark ever were.
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Mike Knott is awesome. Shaded Pain is top notch!
Adam Again is something special as well.
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My first Mark Heard disc was "Satelite Sky", which had both "Orphans Of God" and "Freight Train To Nowhere" on it. You can tell he labored intensely on the lyrics, but they didn't come across as too overworked or clunky.
This was just a guy who liked how words sounded and how you could construct such elegant and meaningful phrases from nothing as disposable as a single word.
So I'd probably reiterate the names that have already been mentioned and add Bruce Cockburn to it, as well as Sam Phillips who has a new disc out (A Boot And A Shoe)...
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Eis
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Bill Mallonee is amazing! Just about my favorite artist; I love his music and his lyrics move me to no end. I actually found him first (with summershine), then Daniel Amos (I actually found Lost Dogs first, but found GRSP1 and was afraid of country at that time). I moved into all Terry's stuff after that abd found out about Mark Heard from getting the "Strong Hand of Love" tribute Video free with an order from CBD. Bill, Terry, and Mark are among my favorites now. I've gotten Mark's final trilogy on cassette from RadRockers, and am working on getting those converted to CD-R with the wonders of technology
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eis-
just backward for me. I been a Heard fan since even before idEOlA..and am just now starting to explore Mr Bill. (thx dambers....)
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Interesting Carl: Slow Dark Train seems to be the least appreciated of Bill's Albums. I would say it's my least favorite, but that still places it nicely on my list of favorites 
Judas Skin, Locust Years, Facsimile, and Only A Scratch are amazing. Oh, and for some less whiny/depressing stuff from him (which is the best whiny/depressing stuff there is; taking one to the edge of a cliff where one teeters, falls into the dark void, and lands in the arms of Grace), check out Summershine and Perfumed Letter. BTW, as I'm harping on this, are you talking about his vocal style as being whiny, or just the songs as a whole?
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Interesting Carl: Slow Dark Train seems to be the least appreciated of Bill's Albums. I would say it's my least favorite, but that still places it nicely on my list of favorites
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You forgot:
I think about my ship run a-ground
All of the people I let down
Yes, and the mercy we have found
And the mercy we have found
every time.... 
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Since there's two questions there:
1) I have no problems with depressing stuff. Heck, I LIKE depressing stuff. 
Lets me know someone's actually been where I am now (that's "now" in a general sense, people; don't go reading unnecessarily into that
) & that there's a way out.... (and FWIW, what I heard of Summershine didn't impress me). As such, I have given out Slow Dark Train almost like a prescription when I see other guys where I'VE been....
2) Re: the whininess: It's sort of both. It seems to come out more in his voice on the earlier stuff (prime example: "Who Knows When The Sunrise Will Be") and more in the songs themselves later on (I checked out after Fetal Position and that turgid baseball song). With a little less gratingness (or just a lower pitch), he could be Bruce Cockburn (speaking of great depressing albums: Go track down The Charity of Night if you haven't already)....
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this may be one of the Next Generation...
Jason Gay
I had 43 people over for a house concert last night.
Jason is a Good mix of humility, talent, speaking, & Rock & Roll!
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