jiminy
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ZD is a great record- but I also have to go with OE
Its just got so much packed into it- and lyrically it makes more sense to me.
I mean songs like Urban Legends, OE, Pulpit masters Driving in England and maybe especially Blowin Smoke (My wife knows me that well)
are about things that I could relate to at the time
- the message of ZD is a bit more obscure (I think we can all agree) and I'll confess I got OE when it came out ..and this was some pretty jaw droppin l C stuff in 1986..
(I got zd in about 2000..and it didnt hook as deep at the time
OE was maybe more left than even ZD for its timeframe
so thats my little pin headed observation.
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OE is easier to pick up quickly. Although, I remember listening to it when I first got it and wondering, "Are these guys really Christian?"
When I applied myself to ZD, the rewards were there. It's just that they aren't as immediately obvious.
Perhaps the discussion here isn't which is better, but in what ways do we appreciate each?
For my $.02 (which I think meshes with jiminy's):
Is it me, or is OE the funniest angry album you've ever heard? I mean, Terry rips into everybody and everything on this album. No one is safe, not ministers, not parishioners, not CCM, not anybody (except his wife and Billy Graham.) I'm laughing along with the album and then I realize, "Hey! He's talking about me!" Then there's the number of layers to it. It might be easier to latch on to but if you put some effort into it, this album is just as deep as ZD. You think you know what a song is about and then you find another meaning to it.
And ZD is pure poetry, both in the lyrics and in the music. The first umpteen times I listened to it, I didn't understand any of it. I still don't get a few songs in there. But the ones I've really focused on are now among my favorites in the TST canon.
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And ZD is pure poetry, both in the lyrics and in the music. The first umpteen times I listened to it, I didn't understand any of it. I still don't get a few songs in there. |
"Sweet Mother of God?" I don't get half the references in that song. I like it, and I think I get the basic gist, but there are at least a gabazillion more layers to that song that I haven't gotten yet.
"Nightmare at Elks Lodge" always reminds me of Lilith by George MacDonald. There's a part in that story where a bunch of skeletons come to life and dance.
Oh yeah, and OE is absolutely brilliant, no doubt...I just connect more with ZD, I guess.
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carl
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I can buy that, PuP....
I guess I had the benefit of that honkin' Fred Sanders review, which helped me get ZD right away. (I have this odd knack for "getting" an album before I've even heard it, especially the great ones. It's like faithin' magnetism.
) And it only got deeper from there. The idea that ZD is basically the editorial reply to DFBB ("God is unknowable" -- "He is TOO knowable. It's called the Incarnation, stoopit!!!"). There are things more valuable than the brilliant scorched earth of OE, you know.
I still hold to this (said it before, but it always seems to get lost in everyone's desire to consider me negative): OE is the album of Terry's career. Every element is there, musically and lyrically, with a vengeance. It is offensive in every sense of the word -- which is good for those who get it and bad for those who don't -- and it is everything a DA/SE fan could have ever hoped for.
But ZD's better.
Exactly because it comes from somewhere beyond what they were humanly capable of. Gentlemen, I submit that Terry IS beyond the Earth Household on this puppy.
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Originally posted by carl
I can buy that, PuP....
I guess I had the benefit of that honkin' Fred Sanders review, which helped me get ZD right away. (I have this odd knack for "getting" an album before I've even heard it, especially the great ones. It's like faithin' magnetism.
) And it only got deeper from there. The idea that ZD is basically the editorial reply to DFBB ("God is unknowable" -- "He is TOO knowable. It's called the Incarnation, stoopit!!!"). There are things more valuable than the brilliant scorched earth of OE, you know.
I still hold to this (said it before, but it always seems to get lost in everyone's desire to consider me negative): OE is the album of Terry's career. Every element is there, musically and lyrically, with a vengeance. It is offensive in every sense of the word -- which is good for those who get it and bad for those who don't -- and it is everything a DA/SE fan could have ever hoped for.
But ZD's better.
Exactly because it comes from somewhere beyond what they were humanly capable of. Gentlemen, I submit that Terry IS beyond the Earth Household on this puppy.
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First of all, what's up with carl accepting my answer without a fight?!?
Second... Great post, carl! I need to listen to ZD with that in mind. And that is a great encapsulation of OE.
Is Fred's review available somewhere? Is Fred Zoomdaddy? Is carl really Berger's mommy?
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Originally posted by carl
Gentlemen, I submit that Terry IS beyond the Earth Household on this puppy.
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You want to trade you copy of Darn Floor for my copy of Zoom Daddy smart guy?
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carl
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Gentlemen, I submit that Terry IS beyond the Earth Household on this puppy.
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You want to trade you copy of Darn Floor for my copy of Zoom Daddy smart guy?
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Why would I want to do that when I already have both and such a bargain would only hurt one of us? Who do you think I am, the Mets???
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Originally posted by carl
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Originally posted by dennis
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Gentlemen, I submit that Terry IS beyond the Earth Household on this puppy.
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Why would I want to do that when I already have both and such a bargain would only hurt one of us? Who do you think I am, the Mets???
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Well, are you?
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jiminy
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CARL - you said it well
And I agree that it takes time to appreciate ZD-
which in your case didnt- you liked it b4 you heard it (which does not surprize me)
and it has more poetic and musical depth - without challange...
yet there are many moments on OE that made me laugh out loud right away- not so with ZD.
Both force you to examine your Faith with fun..
Friendly Advice for example......
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Can't comment on OE cuz I don't have it, but ZD was definitely great. What's wrong with you guys ~ I got ZD after the first few listens. Of course, as with all of Terry's work, I'm still in the process of getting ZD everytime I listen. All of his works are deep and most songs have so many layers that I don't know if we will ever really completely get any of them.
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Can't comment on OE cuz I don't have it, but ZD was definitely great. What's wrong with you guys ~ I got ZD after the first few listens. Of course, as with all of Terry's work, I'm still in the process of getting ZD everytime I listen. All of his works are deep and most songs have so many layers that I don't know if we will ever really completely get any of them. |
We have what OE is on the Berry Vest. I must say I don't really care for the song "Outdoor Elvis". I absolutely love Zoom Daddy. I like what jiminy said about maybe OE being better for the timeframe; I bet it was. For me personally ZD is an album that should stand out longer (unless there are some really, really great OE gems I haven't heard - but I doubt it).
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Originally posted by bereal
Can't comment on OE cuz I don't have it, but ZD was definitely great. What's wrong with you guys ~ I got ZD after the first few listens. Of course, as with all of Terry's work, I'm still in the process of getting ZD everytime I listen. All of his works are deep and most songs have so many layers that I don't know if we will ever really completely get any of them. |
I don't think it's a matter of "getting it" but one of preference.
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I agree with pup. The Twist blows everything away.
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jiminy
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Well, YEAH. Berger said so himself. I mean, could anyone ASK for a more reliable source???
major lol..!
not hard to admit that the Twist is one of the most brutally poignant songs ever written about our Leader, by our leader.
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OE is amazing though and it is my second favorite eddies disk
Cricket, you still need to take a chance on the farm beetles.
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OE is amazing though and it is my second favorite eddies disk
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I did hear Number Niner..and with modern "Goldwave" technology. you can listen to it backward- I think its even funnier.
Yes - I believe I am ready for the ultimate insult to my second favorite band - when it comes from my first favorite.
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If Berry Vest is all you have to work from, then there are definitely some OE gems you haven't heard. Although this aversion to the title song disturbs me....
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Originally posted by carl
If Berry Vest is all you have to work from, then there are definitely some OE gems you haven't heard. Although this aversion to the title song disturbs me....
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ANY song on ZD is better than the song OE!
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