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I ought to do this to Mark Heard - High Noon.
It is probably the worst sounding CD, in terms of volume, that I have and have ever heard. It really is pitiful that it was released like it was. |
I think Mosiac was worse, I think its on CD now, havent heard if its better.
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My Ideola CD was really, really weird about how it was recorded.
It won't even play in some CD players.
Fearful Symmetry was one of the first CDs I owned, I had payed
like $200 for a portable CD player that was like a brick, had hard
corners on it, about 4 inches think and weighed about 10 pounds.
Great big giant battery pack that lasted about 2 hours then had
to be recharged for 12 hours. Wow.... back in the day...
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Originally posted by audiori
My Ideola CD was really, really weird about how it was recorded.
It won't even play in some CD players.
Fearful Symmetry was one of the first CDs I owned, I had payed
like $200 for a portable CD player that was like a brick, had hard
corners on it, about 4 inches think and weighed about 10 pounds.
Great big giant battery pack that lasted about 2 hours then had
to be recharged for 12 hours. Wow.... back in the day...
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Good times! 
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while lower volumes seem wrong....they actually have more dynamic range.
the way cds are manufactured now-a-days, with no dynamic range, is quite upsetting. everyone is competing to see who's record will sound loudest on the radio....not who has written the best song. 
the best solution is to reduce the volume on you other cds....of course many people like to set their eq in the "happy face" position......which is just as bad. eq is about reducing noise and sculpting not adding....what is usually noise. and just for the record, i usually just boost the level....but it is better to reduce the level. 
btw, for those of you who use windows.......there is a great program (musicmatch) which has the best volume leveling software that i have used. on the other hand itunes volume leveler sucks.
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I'm sure you are right wes, but Mark Heard High Noon was just plain done poorly. I know I've even read about others opinions on the web.
What I did to DFBB today was kind of fun. It does sound great in my car. On my home stereo, if I crank it up so loud that you can hear it outside, then the bass is a little much. But it was a fun experience.
In my house I can just turn up my stereo for any CD. In my car I almost have to turn the volume up close to the top with High Noon to hear it loud. As I mentioned I often listen to an average CD on my car stereo on anywhere between 46-56 volume level. High Noon I have to crank it to 70 to hear it at the same level that other CD's play at. The stereo only goes to 80.
Speaking of remastered CD's, when will Universal ever remaster U2's CD's? Many of them are badly in need of remastering. Individual tracks are remastered on their Best Of CD's. I have the Mobile Fidelity gold CD's and they sound good, but remastering has come a long way since Mobile Fidelity remastered War, The Unforgettable Fire, and The Joshua Tree.
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I'm sure you are right wes, but Mark Heard High Noon was just plain done poorly. I know I've even read about others opinions on the web....
In my house I can just turn up my stereo for any CD. In my car I almost have to turn the volume up close to the top with High Noon to hear it loud. As I mentioned I often listen to an average CD on my car stereo on anywhere between 46-56 volume level. High Noon I have to crank it to 70 to hear it at the same level that other CD's play at. |
Yuppers. When I think "ridiculously lowly mastered CDs," High Noon tops the list (although his other late ones, honestly, aren't much better). I have to put the PC on 10 to hear it close to properly. Thank God it's still worth it. 
Oh, back on topic: Uh, yeah, a louder-mastered DFBB with extra tuneage? I SUPPOSE I can live with that.... 
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I guess us have nots will have to imagine what a remastered copy of DFBB would sound like, huh?
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Hmmmmmmm dont be too sure.
What would people think of other reissues like the first
album one we are doing now with a second disc of special
stuff?
Audiori J
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Hmmmmmmm dont be too sure.
What would people think of other reissues like the first
album one we are doing now with a second disc of special
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Originally posted by audiori
Hmmmmmmm dont be too sure.
What would people think of other reissues like the first
album one we are doing now with a second disc of special
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I would buy them - even if I had the disk all ready.
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Hmmmmmmm dont be too sure.
What would people think of other reissues like the first
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I like the special stuff being on a another disc...
I like the album seperate from the stuff!
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I like the special stuff being on a another disc...
I like the album seperate from the stuff!
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Yes yes yes.
What bugged me about the M8 release of Shotgun Angel is that after the quality of the side 2 stuff it goes immediatly into rough live out of place songs. Those songs could have gone at the beginning of disk 2.
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dennis
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I like the special stuff being on a another disc...
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Yes yes yes.
What bugged me about the M8 release of Shotgun Angel is that after the quality of the side 2 stuff it goes immediatly into rough live out of place songs. Those songs could have gone at the beginning of disk 2. |
Yeah I don't like that.
They did that with the first Femmes CD too.
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audiori
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I like the special stuff being on a another disc...
I like the album seperate from the stuff!
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Yes yes yes.
What bugged me about the M8 release of Shotgun Angel is that after the quality of the side 2 stuff it goes immediatly into rough live out of place songs. Those songs could have gone at the beginning of disk 2. |
What bugged us is, we made the pre-mastered master CDRs and they
were on the second disc. The second disc and bonus cuts actually sound
worse than the copy we sent. I mean the source material is rough to
begin with, but we were told it would be mastered so we did nothing to
make it sound better. Then when we got them, they actually sound
worse.
If anyone has clean copies of any rarities, radio shows or whatever,
now is the time to get them to Terry, Tom or us. We all three are
cataloging what we all have so we know where the best quality of
each track is...so we can use them as bonus material.
We had someone tell us they had better quality copies of the shows
that were used on Shotgun Angel.....after it was printed. If anyone has
stuff like that, the band could use it.
Audiori J
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Yes, and keeping the price down as much as possible.
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The volume level on MH's Second Hand always bugged me (DBD, too).
But on the other hand, while getting a great, crisp, loud mix is good on cd, I've been buying up a lot of out of print LP's of all our favorites. Half of the appeal is that the quality reminds me of when I used to listen to Kasey Kasem on am radio when I was a kid. Yeah, the quality glows with warmth sometimes, but wholistically you can't beat the noise that needle makes! You can't beat Do It For Love or Mall (All Over the World) or the 2nd Chapter of Acts first two albums on vinyl. I don't have DFBB on cd, never did, but I did buy a mint LP copy, and I don't think I'd trade it for a cd.
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The volume level on MH's Second Hand always bugged me (DBD, too).
But on the other hand, while getting a great, crisp, loud mix is good on cd, I've been buying up a lot of out of print LP's of all our favorites. Half of the appeal is that the quality reminds me of when I used to listen to Kasey Kasem on am radio when I was a kid. Yeah, the quality glows with warmth sometimes, but wholistically you can't beat the noise that needle makes! You can't beat Do It For Love or Mall (All Over the World) or the 2nd Chapter of Acts first two albums on vinyl. I don't have DFBB on cd, never did, but I did buy a mint LP copy, and I don't think I'd trade it for a cd.
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interesting... I may have to dust off the old turntable soon...
and test this out...
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DFBB sounds great on LP.
Very Loud!
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Neil Young always said he hated CD's. He preferred vinyl and would rather his albums not be released on CD because they sound so bad. I see that 2 or 3 of his albums are on DVD-A.
I have some SACD's and DVD-A's. Let me tell you, they sound waaaaayyy better than CD's. In some ways I really like the hybrid SACD's best, because I can then play them in my car besides just on my SACD/DVD-A player on my stereo.
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I have heard that LPs sound so good because they have a pre-amp to get the volume up to line level.
Bob Dylan Hates CDs too.
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